This post is necessary for the Real Craps Game video that will come this Thursday.
Place bets could be made at any time during the game and offer fast action. In fact, when played online, such bets require no waiting time. In addition, a great advantage is the fact that the bet could be made or taken down whenever the player wants, which is why it is called a “standing” bet. Craps is a fun casino game where players place bets on the table and root for the shooter to roll a winning number with the dice before sevening out. Only one player per round is the shooter, but any player can bet on the table. A “Come” bet is similar to a Pass Line bet and one of the more basic craps bets you can place. The player bets on “Pass Line” outcomes after the initial Come Out shoot has been made and the point value established. If the shooter rolls a 7 or 11, the Come bettor wins. Place bets are wagers that a 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, or 10 will roll before the number 7 rolls. The 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, and 10 are known as ‘box numbers’. They’re called box numbers because on the craps layout, the numbers are literally in an area that is box-shaped as seen in the pic above. Craps Table Limits The minimum and maximum amounts that may be wagered per bet, as well as the odds allowed factors, are posted on a small placard at the side of the table near each dealer. In terms of craps table limits, a typical craps table might have a $5 minimum, $1000 maximum, and double odds allowed.
A few people have asked about more high stakes videos. Well, this Thursday, I will be posting a high stakes craps game that involves put bets. At first, I was going to do another high stakes video involving pass line+odds or come+odds. When it comes to high stakes bets, I refuse to give up too much advantage to the house. The problem with the RoadGambler method of play is that I’ve already done it three times on video; it was time for something new.
At the same time, as few people on various Facebook groups were asking about put bets. That’s where I hatched the idea of a put bet video.
It is time to put out another high stakes game while also answering the question of, ‘what is a put bet?’
For the very short and simple explanation, skip to the very end.
WHAT IS A PUT BET?
A put bet is simply a pass + odds or come + odds combination where the player gives up the advantage of the come out roll. That’s all there is to it.
Here is a pic from the upcoming game. This is $5250 worth of put bets. Like I said, it’s going to be a high stakes game with yours truly playing it out for your entertainment.
For reference, the pass line or come bet portion of the bet is known as the ‘flat’ because it pays even money.
Here is a close up that breaks up and shows the flat and odds part of the bet…
With standard pass+odds and come+odds betting, the player has a 2 – 1 advantage on the flat bet on the come out roll. On a put bet, the player gives up this advantage.
Reasons why Players May Prefer Put Bets
Players typically prefer put bets (over pass+odds or come+odds) for the same reason players prefer place bets.
Some players hate to see numbers rolled and not be paid.
Also, with a put bet, the player can select which number to bet and ‘put’ that number. Players who believe in ‘trends’ value the ability to select the number as a great advantage.
With a come bet, the player does not select the number; rather the dice selects the number.
WHEN TO USE PUT BETS OVER PLACE BETS
The following is the break even point for a put bet and place for each point is as follows..
- Point of 6 or 8, 5x odds
- Point of 5 or 9, 4x odds
- Point of 4 and 10…
- —If the commission is paid after the win, the player needs 19x
- —If the commission is paid before the win, the the player needs only 6x odds
(source: Wizard of Odds)
Note that the above is only true if the player has his or her odds working 100% of the time. If the player does not work the odds 100% of the time, the multiplier is higher.
Here is what I mean by the ‘break even point’…
On a place bet of 6 or 8, a $30 win on either number pays $35
On a put bet of 6 or 8, a $30 win on either number also pays $35.
Both bets pay exactly the same amount.
On a put bet of 6 or 8, the $30 bet is broken down into $5+$25. In such a bet, the flat pays $5 and the odds pay $30, for a total of $35. Remember that for this break even point to be true, the odds must work 100% of the time.
Example of Why a Put Bet Can be Better than a Place Bet
Let’s say the point is 6.
- —win will pay $70
- Put bet of $60, which is broken into $5 + $55 (11x odds)
- —the payout on a win will be $5 on the flat and $66 on the odds, for a total of $71
So on the same bet, the player wins an extra $1 for the same win-loss conditions as a place bet.
Let’s use a higher multiplier than 11x. Let’s assume the player is a high roller and plays on a 100x max odds table.
- —a win will pay $700
- put bet of $600, which is broken into $10 + $590 (59x odds)
- —the payout on a win will be $10 on the flat and $708 on the odds, for a total of $718
So on the same $600 bet, the player wins an extra $18 for the same win-loss conditions as a place bet.
Let’s do another example with another point.
Point of 5
- —win will pay $140
- put bet of $100, which is broken into $10 + $90 (9x odds)
- —the payout on a win will be be $10 on the flat and $135 on the odds, for a total of $145
So on the same $100 bet, the player wins an extra $5 for the same win-loss conditions as a place bet.
Let’s use a higher multiplier for the same point of 5. Let’s assume the player is a high roller and plays on a 100x max odds table.
Point is 5
- —win will pay $700
- put bet for $500, which is broken into $10 + 490 (49x odds)
- —the payout on a win will be $10 on the flat and $735 on the odds, for a total payout of $745
So on the same $500 bet, the player wins an extra $45 for the same win-loss conditions as a place bet. This means the player receives an extra $45 for doing nothing more than ‘knowing’.
This is another reason why 100x tables are so powerful. Many players argue that 100x odds games have no inherent advantage because, in the end, the 100x bettor and the $5 low roller will have the same, realized loss. But a 100x max odds table allows for players to ‘put’ higher odds, which results in winning extra money for doing nothing more than having knowledge.
Why It’s Important to Know the Break Even Multiplier
If you go below the break even multiplier, you are better off placing the number.
The following is an example of why…
Point is 5
- —win will pay $42
- put bet for $30, which is broken into $10 + $20 (2x odds)
- —the payout on a win will be $10 on the flat and $30 on the odds, for a total payout of $40
So on the same $30 bet, the player loses $2 on the put bet because the multiplier was not high enough. That’s why it’s important to know the break even multiplier.
If you are in doubt, then go with this imperfect rule across the board: your odds must be at least 5x in the points of 5, 6, 8, and 9 and do not put the 4 and 10. It’s not a perfect rule, but it will prevent you from losing too much.
HOW TO MAKE A PUT BET
To play the put bet, tender your chips in the same way you would tender your chips for a place bet and say that you want to put the number.
The result of you saying ‘put’ is that the position and stacking of your chips should look like a come bet.
You can put multiple points. If you put multiple points, it would avoid confusion (and is polite to the dealer) to cut out your individual puts first. For example, if you’re placing 6 and 8, you can just tender $120 in one stack.
But if you put 6 and 8 for $50 each, cut your chips into two $50 stacks.
WARNING: if your bet is positioned and stacked like a place bet, then it’s a place bet. You will be shorted on the payout if you do not verify that it is a put and not a place bet. Just for reference, here is what your put bet positioning should look like…
To make sure, ask your friendly dealer, is that a ‘put bet or a place bet?’ I generally do not like yes or no questions in this case because the casino environment can be loud.
DOWNSIDE TO THE PUT BET
There are three major downsides to the put bet.
The first downside is that sometimes dealers are not familiar with put bets, and here can be confusion about what to do. You will see an example of this a couple of times in the put bet videos.
The second downside is that many casinos, where it would be advantageous to use put bets, do not allow put bets. That’s really the main problem with put bets. They’re hard to find.
The third problem is that put betting requires a rather stout bankroll to play for any period of time. Players on a limited bankroll – such as $100 – are not going to be able to use put bets, unless they want to have a very short stacked bankroll.
Addendum:
Reader Henry S. asked two great questions about the put bet that requires me to add this downside, especially if you’re the type of player who likes to move his or her place bet around.
The put bet is treated exactly like a pass+odds and come+odds combo. The player can call off or take down the odds portion of the bet, but the flat is a contract bet.
Similarly, if the player wishes to move their put bet number to another number, the player must pay for the flat portion of the new number. The ‘old’ number would then have a name flat bet with no odds, and the player would play it out as it it had no odds.
Without spoiling too much of what is to come in the videos, you will see this in action in Part 2. It will become very clear.
ROADGAMBLER THOUGHTS ON THE PUT BET
I prefer pass and come bets to the put bet.
Mathematically, pass and come + odds are still a better play. For the players who absolutely insist on the place bet, if the casino allows put bets, and the player is playing high enough of a multiplier, there is little reason to not use the put bet.
TL;DR
Put bets are simply the pass+odds or come+odds combination bet where the player foregoes the come out roll. The bet is paid exactly like how a pass+odds or come+odds would be paid.
The casino has the advantage on the flat bet portion of the put bet, but on the odds portion of the put bet, there is no house edge.
That’s it!
If you’re still confused, you will be able to watch actual putt bets in action this coming Thursday.
In the meantime, if you have any questions or comments, feel free to drop them in the comment section below.
Craps Rules Come Bet
Posted in: Craps, Gambling
There are many different bets you can make on the craps table. This often confuses new players but in actual fact craps is not that complicated. In this section we outline all of the possible betting options and show you where those bets go on the table.
The Craps Table
Below is an example of a craps table. The image shows a half table layout as seen on the Microgaming online craps game. Tables at other casinos might look slightly different but the layouts are very similar.
The Different Bets
Pass Line
The most common craps bet. The Pass Line bet is made on the come out roll and wins if a 7 or 11 is rolled. If a 2, 3 or 12 is rolled the bet loses. If any other number is rolled the point is established. If the point is rolled before a 7 the bet wins. If a 7 is rolled the bet loses. Pays even money.
Pass Line Odds
Also known as 'Taking the Odds', the Pass Line Odds bet is an extra bet that can be made after a Pass Line bet is made and the point is established. In most cases this can be a multiple of your Pass Line bet. The bet wins if the point is rolled before a 7. This is one of the few best in the casino that has no house edge. The point determines the pay out with the most common being 2 to 1 (4 or 10), 3 to 2 (5 or 9) and 6 to 5 (6 or 8).
Don't Pass Line
The opposite bet to the Pass Line Bet. The Don't Pass bet wins if the come out roll is a 2 or 3 and loses if the come out roll is a 7 or 11. If a 12 is rolled this is a push. In the case of a push or if the point is established the dice continue to be rolled until either a 7 or the point is rolled. The bet wins if a 7 is rolled and loses if the point is roll. Wins pay even money.
Don't Pass Odds
Also known as 'Laying The Odds', this be is the opposite to Taking the Odds and wins if a 7 is rolled before the point. In most cases this bet can be a multiple of your Don't Pass bet. The pay out depends on the point with the most common being 1 to 2 (4 or 10), 2 to 3 (5 or 9) and 5 to 6 (6 or 8).
Come
The same as the Pass Line Bet with the exception that it can be made at any time after the point is established. The bet wins if a 7 or 11 is rolled and lose if a 2, 3 or 12 is rolled. If any other number is rolled this becomes your point. You win if your point is rolled before a 7. Pays even money.
Don't Come
The opposite of the Come bet and can be made at any time after the point is established. Wins if a 2 or 3 is rolled and loses if a 7 or 11 is rolled. If a 12 is rolled the bet pushes. If a point is established you win if a 7 is rolled before your point. Pays even money.
Place Bets
A bet made on 4, 5, 6, 8, 9 or 10 that can be made at any time. Wins if the number is rolled before a 7. This bet is the same as the odds bets but with lower pay outs. The standard pay outs are as follows 9 to 5 (4 or 10), 7 to 5 (5 or 9) and 7 to 6 (6 to 8)
Place Bets To Lose
A relatively rare betting option found at some land based casinos but quite common online. This bet is the opposite of the Place Bets. The bet can be made at any time and wins if a 7 is rolled before your number. Pay off are usually 5 to 11 (4 or 10), 5 to 8 (5 or 9), 4 to 5 (6 or 8).
Buy Bets
These bets are similar to the Place Bets with different pay offs. A Buy Bet can be placed at any time on any of the points. This bet wins if the point is rolled before a 7. Pay offs are the same as the odds but casinos take a 5% vig on the bet. Wins pay 2 to 1 (4 or 10), 3 to 2 (5 or 9) and 6 to 5 (6 or 8).
Lay Bets
The opposite to the Buy Bet. A Lay Bet can be placed on any point and wins if a 7 is rolled before the point. Due to the fact that a 7 being rolled is more likely the casinos take a 5% commission on the amount that can be won. Pay off are 1 to 2 (4 or 10), 2 to 3 (5 or 9) and 5 to 6 (6 or 8).
Big 6 and 8
A bet on Big 6 or Big 8 wins if a 6 or an 8 is rolled before a 7. These bets pay even money and should be avoided as you can make the same bet on the Place 6 or 8 and get better pay offs.
Field Bet
The Field betting areas is a big section on the craps table. A bet placed on the field wins if the next roll is a 2, 3, 4, 9, 10 or 11. If the next roll is a 3, 4, 9 or 11 you win even money. If a 2 or a 12 is rolled you win 2 to 1.
Hardways
There are four possible hardways bets (2-2, 3-3, 4-4 and 5-5). Hardways bets can be made at any time and win if the selected hardway rolls before a 7. The bet loses if a 7 is rolled or if the total is rolled with a different combination. Hardways 6 and 8 pay 9 to 1. Hardways 4 and 10 pay 7 to 1.
Any 7
Wins if a 7 is rolled and loses if any other number is rolled. Pays 4 to 1.
Any Craps
Wins is a 2, 3 or 12 is rolled and loses on any other number . Pays 7 to 1
Two Craps or Aces
Also known as Snake Eyes. Wins if a 2 is rolled and pays 30 to 1.
Twelve Craps or Two Sixes
Wins if a 12 is rolled and loses on all other numbers. Pays 30 to 1
Craps Rules For Place Bets
Three Craps or Ace Deuce
Betting In Craps Rules
Wins if a 3 is rolled and loses on all other rolls. Pays 15 to 1
Eleven or Six Five
Wins if 11 is rolled and loses on all other rolls. Pays 15 to 1
Horn Bet
The Horn Bet is actually four bets in one. You are placing one betting unit on 2, 3, 11 and 12. If 3 or 11 is rolled wins pay 3.75 to 1. If 2 or 12 is rolled wins pay 7.5 to 1. Any other number rolled and the bet loses.